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September 30, 2019

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Barking Dog

Great topic Joe.

While Mike and I share some very different views of the future of Burlingame and it's residents, I very much agree with his view on this issue.

From a medical side, watching the benefits of cannabis with my father in law during his last 18 months in severe pain, was eyeopening. The effects the pain killers and opiates were so damaging to him. Once he stated using cannabis over the opiates, he became so much more of the man I knew. The opiates were killing him, the cannabis extended his life, if ever so brief. This started a wormhole for me to really try to educate myself on the subject.

Being a child of the 60's, yes I partook in a lot of pot use...and maybe a couple of Leary tabs touched my tongue or a few fungus caps...but once baby #1 was on the way and reality set in, my smoking of pot was maybe 10 times over the next 44 yrs.

While educating myself, I found myself really enjoying partaking recreationaly at night more and more. Enjoyed going to different dispensaries and talking to the owners and 'bud tenders'. Learning the product, the effects, the different strains. These dispensaries always have a security guard or 2 at the front door, check your ID at the door, everything is locked, reinforced doors to back room inventory is under code or card key for entry. When was the last dispensary robbery in the Bay Area? When was the last Apple Store robbery in the Bay Area?? Pot is a social aspect of my life now, much in the same way alcohol is to many.

Mike as some great points: 63% of Burlingamers voted to legalize it. It is a legal business in the state, and heavily regulated and taxed at the state and county level. The state and counties have their hands in the cookie jar very much so. The pot companies and private money have invested billions in the state of California and its products. The tax revenue for the state is going to be billions. The state isn't going to let that money go away any time soon and without a fight. Corporations and small businesses fleeing the state already. The Feds are done raiding dispensaries in states that it is legal. The state is more focused on the illegal grows by the cartels, on Federal and State land.

I don't know what the local and state rules are for a retail dispensary spot on Broadway due to its proximity to schools, but I think Mike hits the nail on the head with his thinking. Tell me another storefront on Burlingame Ave or Broadway that gets 800-1000 walk ins a day? How may vacancies on Burlingame Ave and Broadway total currently? Lets say 500 more people a day on Broadway, who doesn't think Village Host or any other restaurant on Broadway is going to benefit from 500 stoners a day on Broadway? I would think 500 people on Broadway would energize Broadway and maybe more storefronts wont have vacancy signs in their windows? Mike can say this isn't about revenue for the city, that's all great and dandy, but tax revenue and empty Broadway storefronts, should be a big reason for a dispensary on Broadway.

I think Beach and Colson's argument about the high school age kids and pot use is very weak. "Going Slow" is not an answer that satisfies me. Please elaborate on the Emily and Donna, you are missing the mark here. They need to educate themselves on the subject and listen to 2/3 of what their constituents voted for and are seeking. Pot use with teenagers is nothing new. Kids are going to be kids no matter how much we say we want and try to protect them. The high school age kids are going to get pot anyway, no matter if there is a dispensary in town or not. Went through it myself as a parent in the late 80's early 90's with my kids. The teenagers going through their parents medicine cabinets is more of a concern, and should be theirs too. Opiates are killing our kids and our loved ones, not pot. I've never heard of anyone overdosing on pot. Like drinking and driving, driving while intoxicated with cannabis is illegal as well.

I have already met the owner and lots of the 'bud tenders' at the dispensary half a mile away from my place in Reno. Right next to a liqueur store, barber shop, Little Caesar's and book store and nursery. Never thought that in my 70's I would be a advocate for pot on a recreational side. In my opinion, alcohol does far more damage to human lives than cannabis. And alcohol has been taxed and regulated for 100 years, except for a few, and look how that turned out.
The medicinal use of pot is undeniable in my view.

Bruce Dickinson

Joe, this may sound totally unexpected, but guess which Burlingame resident has probably had the most exposure to chronic drug users? That's right, legendary record producer, Bruce Dickinson--yes THE Bruce Dicksinson! Guys, when I say Bruce has seen it all, I mean it in every sense of the word when talking about a 4+ decade career in producing records for dozens of artists!

And what I saw wasn't pretty! Marijuana was used by many of the platinum and gold record acts that I produced, and things were generally ok for about 60%-70% of the users, so long as the users didn't have addictive personalities. But those who had addiction problems, look out! I have seen so many riches to rags cases develop because of marijuana and other drug use. And yes, marijuana, added to alcohol, prescription drugs, led to the trial of other drugs some of which were even more addictive and getting these various "cocktails" of substances were pretty much a train wreck waiting to happen! The sad part is that the very people who insisted that "everything was under control" were the ones with the greatest addiction problems and went from Hero to Zero faster than I hit 60 mph from a standing start in my Ferrari F12 Berlinetta.

Considering my own personal experience, along with many of mental health and medical professionals' opinions as well as rigorous studies about marijuana triggering psychosis, severe impairment when driving vehicles, adding to potential addiction issues with stuff that is already legal, causing respiratory and lung issues even worse vs traditional tobacco, the mixture of it with other stimulants and depressants and all I gotta tell ya is "Just say No" to more drugs in Burlingame. Sure, alcohol and opioids aren't great, but why add something else to make things even worse than they are!??!?

Maybe marijuana has a place for some pain killing in the absence of opioids, but it should be far more regulated like a true pharmaceutical with equivalent dosage and prescription from an MD, and it's use cases supported by true double-blind placebo controlled studies on efficacy for certain problems. Whenever people discuss the benefits vs risks of marijuana, I don't see much in the way of cold, hard data and when I do see cold, hard data, it all seems to NOT favor marijuana. Prove to me otherwise!

Also, don't let the lure of "tax dollars" get everyone all giddy'd up. Where do you think that money is gonna go? That's right HSR?!??

A dispensery or even having full access to marijuana is a terrible idea and has zero place in Burlingame, let alone anywhere without extremely stringent regulation and with prescription only from a physician similar to other highly addictive drugs!

Barking Dog

No matter producing gold or wrenching diesel engines Bruce, drug use doesn't care what class of society you are. With my co workers, in the 70's it was heroin, 80's cocaine. 90's crank and amphetamines, ⁰⁰'s all of they above. You've seen it all, so have I. The good, the bad and the ugly.

Your own personal experience with marijuana and the effects it had on you, I think are in the minority here, but that's ok. The same can be said for the effects of alcohol on people. Your comparison to alcohol and opiates sort of being in the same class, makes me think you've hit to many bumps on El Camino in your F12 and shaken the upstairs a little.

There are many "professional" opinions to the risk vs benefit of marijuana use. You've and I have chosen different narratives to this science. Yes I will agree that opiates definitely serve a purpose for pain management. Pharmaceutical drugs is an industry that is already heavily regulated. Big Pharma and lots of not so honest or ethical Doctors, pushed these opiates on lots of people and a true epidemic has occured. And a lot of people made a lot of money. Black market oxy,vicodin, percocet aren't available any more and if they are, they are expensive. Heroin and synthetic fentanyl are everywhere and killing nationwide. And are cheap to purchase in today's market as it is flooded.

I have not heard of marijuana tax dollars going toward HSR. Please educate me.

At a dispensary I visit on a somewhat regular schedule, there are travelers there from all over the world, with suitcases in tow straight from SFO, making the dispensary the 1st stop after landing. This dispensary isnt in the best of neighborhoods, they dont know that, nor do they care. Broadway is a perfect avenue for these travelers to shop for cannabis. As legal in the county of San Mateo, State of California. 4000 new Facebook employees aged 25-55(guess) moving in a mile away. According to the numbers approx 65% voted for legalization of marijuana. That tells me over 2000 potential customers on Broadway, a mile away, on a daily basis.

Dispensaries are here already
I have full access to marijuana now. All by the touch of my fingers on the phone and going to my front door when he/she arrives.
Marijuana sales is heavily regulated already. Many changes have been made to control doses and milligrams of THC per serving since recreational legalization.
Marijuana is not in the same classification of the many highly addictive drugs mentioned above, IMO. But yes, you are correct, according to the Federal Government, they are the same classification. Dating yourself there Bruce, your sounding like Tricky Dick.

Peter Garrison

What a picture: FaceBook employees and stoners wandering up and down Broadway, driving home, picking up kids from school. Charming. Oh, but think of the money we’ll make!

Barking Dog

The lulu pant, North Face vest, Facebook using moms, dads and nanny's of Burlingame are already roaming Broadway and picking up kids with THC or CBD in their blood stream. Thinking any different about the neighbors and what is already here in Burlingame surrounding you Pete, is naive in 2019

Bruce Dickinson

Wow, looks like we need an intervention!!!

Bruce is right again!

Barking Dog

I too voted NO on other cannabis legislation in past year Bruce
Time, life situations, and more knowledge of the cannabis products and benefits vs risks moved the meter for me.

Glad your always right in your own mind Brucey Baby. Fun to read

J. Mir

I used to live in San Jose. Do you really want to be San Jose? It’s a snake pit.

BHS Kids are already vaping like crazy and not just nicotine products. The back alley behind Tennis Club at the BHS parking lot is a well-known “Vapers alley” - littered with Juul pods continually. And you’d like to enhance this feature of teen living herewith adding Cbd in the mix? (Note that anyone any age can order this stuff online, but that makes it easier for parents to intercept) Note that I am not talking about beer bottles or hard liquor bottles - that’s NOT what they’re into today!

And don’t get me started on the “ big Pharma” / opioids smokescreen, as if dispensaries will make all those problems go away.

Let millbrae put up a dispensary in their new parking lot development, at the Bart terminus - they need the revenue far more anyways.

Barking Dog

Obviously, dispensaries will not make the opiate prpoblem go away. Not what is being debated. What's in your family's medicine cabinet that your children have access too? Opiates/barbiturates? My guess is yes in some form.

Nicotine products are just as easy to get, if not easier than Cannabis products. And according to the media, the nicotine products are the ones being targeted by the Tobacco industry on minors. You dont think that big tobacco isnt already in the cannabis business?? Dont be that naive.

"Vapors Alley", nice. It was "Stoners Alley" in the 80's/early 90's when my kids were @ BHS. Different decades/century, same issues with "The Alley".

Joe

@J. Mir - you lost me. A dispensary north of Trousdale is OK, but one a couple blocks south of Trousdale is a big problem. Explain.

Barking Dog

J.Mir- Dont you have to be 21 now to buy tobacco products in California?? So if "vapers alley" is littered with Juul cartridges, how are these underage kids obtaining them??

Legal age to purchase cannabis at a dispensary is 21. Dispensaries check your ID, by a security guard, everytime you walk in the front door. Can the same be said for the gas station on the corner or the vape shops that are all over, that are selling these kids the Juul cartridges?? Nope!

I'm sorry, but the access to minors argument falls flat with me. The kids are already getting cannabis, Juul, cigarettes, alchohol, pharmaceutical prescriptions (all legal substances), and many other ILLEGAL substances! A dispensary in town isnt going to make it easier for them to get....THEY ARE ALREADY GETTING IT! Plus they wouldn't even get in the front door without proper legal identification.

Joe

I did a bit more research on the tax burden/ revenue for these types of products:

California Excise Tax = 16%

Cannabis Business Tax = 9.7% (San Jose specific?)

California State Sales Tax = 11.3%

Total: 37%

Bruce Dickinson

Bottom line is it's not being taxed enough. Reminds me of a great Malcom Gladwell article that I had my secretary pull. Again, there is really a lack of credible evidence that cannabis is beneficial and many reasons to be wary.

Also look at the Dutch, who have started to regard the outside smoking of marijuana in public areas as nuisance with a lot of public backlash and are regulating it more.

And this is what we want in Burlingame!!?? If you care about your property value, not sure how getting a dispensary is going to enhance it!

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/14/is-marijuana-as-safe-as-we-think

Barking Dog

It is illegal to smoke outside cannabis outside in public spaces in California currently.

Sounds like the Cannabis Business Tax is driven by each cities choosing of rate, with that money going directly to the city for their use. Unlike the state tax and cultivation tax that goes to the states general fund.

California and Washington state and DC have high cannabis taxation. They also have the biggest black market of cannabis sales in states where Recreational cannabis is legal. States that have low taxation havelot less illegal cannabis sales.

By 2024, 7.1 Billion projected in sales in California.....with still 53% of purchases being blackmarket purchases. While states with low taxation, will only have about a 30% illicit sales.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/23/753791322/california-says-its-cannabis-revenue-has-fallen-short-of-estimates-despite-gains

Joe

Smoking weed in public is one infraction I would like to see policed to a very high-level of enforcement - zero tolerance. Not sure what the penalty is.

Barking Dog

Looks like the penalty is $100.

Do I see some people vaping/smoking in a public area, yes, but I would have to say that most cannabis users respect public spaces.

https://www.canorml.org/california-laws/california-cannabis-laws/

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