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November 22, 2017



I Think the Berkeley study you're referring to is here?


Main points being the amount of concrete its going to take to construct and where we get our energy from.

No matter what it will take a significant amount of concrete to construct any sort of infrastructure, including widening of our freeways.

The other point relies heavily on what sources we receive our energy from, which will continually be moving towards greener and less environmentally negative production means.

"At mid-level occupancy HSR ROI is achieved at 28 years for energy and 71 years for GHG emissions."

Let me know if I missed something, but I don't think its fair to spread misinformation.


Instead of making uninformed accusations ("misinformation") try reading backwards in the HSR category found at the right frame. You will soon stumble into this post:


That will link to the full article.

I haven't heard anyone suggesting widening I-5 if High-cost rail is not built.

We shall see about "moving towards greener energy". You can read back in the Power section on the right for more information there that might enlighten you--yes, pun intended. Go check out the German cost per kilowatt-hour. It ain't pretty.



Dear Oski, if this thing ever does get finished Elon Musk or Richard Branson or Sergey Brin will make it look like a Model T well before 28 years after completion.

BUT, the chances of it ever running are less than 20% so EVERY little bit of CO2, concrete and steel we have paid for already is likely to be WASTED, dude.


Even mid-level occupancy is a friggin' pipe dream. They are talking a train every 10 minutes or somthing stupid like that.


Plus if it ever makes it to the Bay Area, it means taking commuter trains off the tracks for those trains running every ten minutes. That means more people having to get in their cars as less trains to get them up and down the Peninsula.

Steve Kassel

California bullet train cost surges by $2.8 billion: 'Worst-case scenario has happened'.

Well this is a shocker.


Cathy Baylock

Steve, thanks for posting this. I am glad to see that the last ten years of my life I have spent opposing this boondoggle have been justified

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